Didn’t See That In The Film

I do not consider Adolf Hitler to be as bad as depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing, and he seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed.

Why, of all the places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. They are, as a rule uncivilized – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.

Am I the only one disturbed that these are quotes from Gandhi?

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45 thoughts on “Didn’t See That In The Film

  1. Actually, I've heard about that before.I think Hitler was, if not popular then well-liked for a few years before he gained power. I read somewhere that he was even considered for a Nobel prize (for peace if I remember correctly) after WW I.

  2. The first victories in Poland and France have been easy, quick and clean, especially seen from a far away place like South Africa. Following actor Johannes Heesters who know Adolf personally he was a polite, nice guy. Mr. Heesters was a movie star in the 3rd Reich and has this year acted in a support role in a new comedy by Til Schweiger.

  3. Well, one day Milosevic ("Butcher from the Balkan", late Serbian president), Tudjman (late Croatian president, the same as previous, according to my opinion) and few more from Balkan countries, will be considered peacekeepers and "saints" in 50 or 60 years from now. This is why I laughed when Marti Ahtisari received his Nobel price for peace.

  4. The quote was made before the war. Gandhi later sent a letter to the British (during the war) telling them to lay down arms and let the Nazis take over. :irked:

    I want you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions. Let them take possession of your beautiful island with your many beautiful buildings… If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourself, man, woman and child to be slaughtered… I am telling His Excellency the Viceroy that my services are at the disposal of His Majesty’s government, should they consider them of any practical use in enhancing my appeal.

    If that isn't "surrender or die" then I don't know what it is…

  5. More likely he knew what fate awaits a peaceful race if they get taken over.Carol, just sent you a PM but the system isn't working properly. Go to Reply With Quote and you'll be able to copy the stuff between the code boxes. :up:

  6. The world doesn't know Gandhi well.I am not that surprised.I was going to write about it in one of my posts.Gandhi,born in a wealthy family,main caste/varna Vaisha,subcaste/jati greengrosser or baniya.Brahmin,Kshatriya,Vaishya call themselves Aryans.That's why Gandhi didn't staunchly apposed caste system.Gandhi could see the oppression of Indians by the British but he couldn't see the oppression of Indians by the Indians.Many indians today don't feel that they are living in a democratic India.Gandhi could free India from the British rule but he didn't instill the democratic values into Indians.http://atrocitynews.wordpress.com/2006/12/08/gandhi-vs-ambedkar-sad-media/http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htmhttp://rupeenews.com/2008/03/08/gandhis-wrote-letters-to-his-friend-hitler-and-supported-him/While in the South Africa,in 1906 he participated in the war against the natives as a Sargeant-Major.He called them uncivilzed.He held Jews responsible for the evils in Germany.He called Hitler his friend.That was rediculous.Hitler's solution for the subcontinent was the same as his solution for the Jews.Being from the second caste,I know the ground reality in India.You can't distinguish Indian people into different castes based on physical features.Hitler would have killed all Indians coz light skinned and dark skinned people are found in all castes,no matter the three "savarnas" or high castes called themselves Aryans from Europe.

  7. I often wonder why there's so little on the web about the ethnic cleansing of Germans that happened in many places after the second world war. You rarely see it mentioned.

  8. Mik, do you thing of Bohemia, Poland, Eastern Prussia? Millions had to leave their homes, millions were deported to Siberia for hard work. A well known family that changed their name, but while WWI was the von Battenberg-family.

  9. Just a case of the pendulum swinging the other way, however wrong. Like the Japanese-Americans held in camps during that war, or all the people named Hitler who had to apply for name changes (or at least change their name in the phone book)here in the U.S. after we got into the war.

  10. Famous for their cakes? Yeah I've seen a lot on the war and how it started and ended. The treatment the Germans were getting at the hands of the Polish before (and perhaps a catalyst of) the war and the way innocent German families were killed after the war is rarely mentioned but it's a fact. Everyone knows about the families displaced or murdered during the war and the atrocities committed under the Nazi regime. People are still (over 60 years later) unwilling to admit that both sides were as brutal as each other. It's hypocrisy.In England, our Prince Harry got a load of media backlash when he went to a fancy dress party (military themed if I remember) dressed as a Nazi officer. Later the papers are cheering him on for joining the army and saying how great it is. Now he's in the middle of a media backlash again for using the word "Paki". Now I'm not a fan of racial epiphets but he's a bloody soldier – someone hired to kill people from other countries. That he uses derogatory terms for someone comes as part and parcel of the job. Hypocrisy again.

  11. In case anyone's wondering, Opera is going slow and my network is virtually non-existant at the moment. I simply can't answer all the various subjects being raised in the comments of this post. Sorry.

  12. But, from what I gather, it wasn't vocalized as an epithet of any kind, it was just one soldier poking fun at one of his mates, on camera. Would this be receiving any press at all if it was, say you and I?  

  13. Never gonna happen. Whenever a previously oppressed people take over they start getting revenge on those that once treated them so badly. It's human nature.

  14. Of course not. It's an easy headline though isn't it. Meanwhile, the fact that Britain has just outlawed stem cell research (I'll be ranting about that soon) gets a lesser in-paper headline. :irked:

  15. The line between victim and culprit is thin. The Germans saw themself as victims of injustice after WW1, turned into culprits, became victims again (my mother's family was from Silesia) and started to build Volkswagens in the end. Where is right, where wrong? The only thing I know is that anything is good that stops these circles. 2 million years of development and the best thing to be said on our species is that it still exists and has tea.

  16. Yes, sort of. There was quite a bit about cakes, and checkered emergency vehicles, so I bookmarked the whole bunch and I'll read it when I'm off work. Thanks. 🙂

  17. I'm not sure on the given names… just got off work, I'll read up on them- got any hints? EDIT:Am I looking for von Mountbatten, or Mountbatten? Louis sounds about right as far as age goes…

  18. It was on the news some time last year that the true king of england was a butcher in sussex. Apparently, the british crown was usurped from his family several generations back. BTW, my EGPRS connection has been floundering since yesterday. :irked:. A straight gsm connection is the worst way to go online. :insane:.

  19. "I do not want to see the allies defeated. But I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed. Englishmen are showing the strength that Empire builders must have. I expect them to rise much higher than they seem to be doing. Letter to Rajkumari Amrit Kaur, regarding the military situation between England and Germany (May 1940), quoted in Collected Works (1958), p. 70. It should be noted that in May 1940 the battles of World War II were just beginning after the German invasion of Poland. The subsequent blitzkrieg invasions of The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France, were indeed swift and relatively bloodless compared to the trench battles of the First World War. Furthermore the persecution of the Jews in the eyes of the world was at this point limited to lowered civil rights, and the use of concentration camps and ghettos: the facts of Nazi genocidal strategies were not widely known until towards the end of that war, in 1945."http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi

  20. *reads comments again*In case anyone's still wondering about the deal with the Mountbattens, Phillip is the guy married to the Queen of England. :up:

  21. Looks like I was wrong about that one being before the war eh? In May 1940 Poland had been occupied for eight entire months. Britain and France declared war on Germany in 39 a little after this due to political obligations, although neither bothered actually doing any real fighting until May 1940 coincidentally. 6th October 1939 Hitler sent a peace offering to Britain and France which was turned down. After this he started invading other countries in early 1940. By the time that letter was written it was obvious that he was invading countries at least, and the occupation of France had begun. Talk about a bad prediction eh? :lol:.Meanwhile, my own country, who hail themselves as heroes of this war, were planning on invading Norway and Denmark then tearing the countries apart for resources. If I remember rightly the German army beat us to it. Denmark tried not to amass it's army and incite an invasion attempt so were taken pretty much undefended, although that did cut the loss of life down.

  22. Originally posted by Furie:

    Carol, just sent you a PM but the system isn't working properly. Go to Reply With Quote and you'll be able to copy the stuff between the code boxes.

    Sorry, I didn't get anything. Try pm-ing me again because I can't see what you want by replying with a quote.

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